Introduction to Astrophotography
Regular news about alignment of planets, their form in the sky, their closest approach to Earth and related other news that I used to read in the newspapers every year made me think about knowing more about them. They inspired me to see them with my eyes. After building my own house, I had that opportunity to look at the sky unhindered from its terrace. I was pleasantly surprised that I didn’t need a telescope to see the planets Venus, Mars and Jupiter. Even Saturn could be seen, though like a speck. I was very eager to see bands of Jupiter and rings of Saturn. Hence, I bought Meade DS2114-S reflector telescope, sometime around 2005. Even though it is a 5.5” telescope, I could barely see the bands or rings. I was disappointed. I didn’t use it for many years. Surely, I didn’t know how to observe planets properly with a telescope at that time. The situation didn’t change even now because I’m more interested in deep sky objects than planets. Aren’t planets very close by?!
When I
became free from my office activities, I wanted to use the telescope once
again. But I found that its GOTO functionality, a feature to point telescope
automatically to any space object, stopped working. No way to get it repaired
as I don’t think there is any company or anybody to repair like there are street corner repair shops and authorized service centers for two-wheelers
and cars. It was bought about fifteen years ago. Can’t ask the shop from which
I bought to repair or replace it. By this time, prices of telescopes almost
doubled or tripled! To reduce expenditure, I bought only a mount without tripod
as I wanted to use tripod of my earlier telescope. Cost of the mount, without
telescope and tripod, was more than double the cost of the fully functional
advanced Meade telescope that I bought a long ago!
In this
blog, I will explain what equipment I bought, stores I bought from, how to take photographs of celestial bodies and how to process them to
get beautiful images. However, please note that you don’t need to follow my
approach of buying telescope parts one by one if you are new and you don’t have
any equipment or you have only a camera; you may purchase tripod, mount and
telescope tube as part of one package to reduce time to use it!
Equipment
There are
many parts of the equipment used for observing and photographing celestial
objects such as planets, nebulas and galaxies. A tripod is necessary. It should
be sturdy and should stand the weight of mount, telescope and other related accessories.
A mount is the equipment that is used to mount telescope and add related accessories such as finder scope, red dot finder, guide scope, camera and counter-weights.
The mount itself is fixed over the tripod using a knob. Unless you buy all
parts as a single package, you need to make sure that the mount you buy can
handle the weight of telescope and other equipment, tripod is compatible with
the mount and it is capable of handling all load. Various vendors sell tripods
and mounts with various load capacities.
For
photography of celestial objects, you need to buy a telescope with a mount that
tracks the objects automatically. Tracking is required to make telescope always
point towards the desired object while Earth rotates about its axis. The mounts
with tracking capability compensate for the rotation of Earth to make the
objects in the viewing field of telescope almost fixed. There are primarily two kinds of mounts –
altazimuth mounts and equatorial mounts. There are some other kinds of mounts
but they may not be quite popular. You need to decide which kind of mount of
telescope you want. My first telescope was altazimuth mount. The current
mount I use is an equatorial mount. I bought equatorial mount because that’s
what most photographers seem to use, and it has a few advantages over altazimuth mount.
There are
also multiple kinds of telescopes (tubes with lenses and/or mirrors) – refractor
and reflector and some hybrids. You have to decide which one you want.
Refractors are costlier compared to reflectors but small and lighter. You
get a reflector with bigger aperture, an important parameter for getting quality
pictures, for the same cost of a refractor. My first telescope tube was of
reflector type and so I bought a refractor only because it is very small!
Mount
I bought iOptron
SkyGuider Pro Camera mount with I-Polar. Here is its image:
Though
title of the mount says it is for camera, it can be used with small refractor
telescopes such as RedCat 51. I bought only the mount because I already have a
tripod of unused reflector telescope. I-polar is a camera inside the mount. It
is used to do polar alignment of the mount by looking at the pole star
displayed in a laptop.
Note:- This mount is definitely not suitable for all kinds of telescopes. You can't use this with heavy telescopes. So, you need to select a mount based on required payload capacity you need, Since a mount is usually a onetime investment in your hobby, go for the best mount that can handle required weight of telescope and other accessories such as finder scope, guide scope, main camera and guide camera.
Telescope
I wanted to
use RedCat 51 refractor telescope because I saw a photograph of the Andromeda
Galaxy taken by somebody with the refractor and the mount! It was one of the
less pricy refractor telescopes compared to some costlier ones. Further, it is like a camera lens, small and
not so heavy. It can be used to take photos of birds and landscapes. Later, I
found that it is not so light, after all. It weighs about 1.3 kg.
It has a
focal length of 250 mm, aperture 51 mm and focal ratio f/4.9. If you have money
to spend, go for a higher focal length and aperture telescope.
Note:- Again this refractor is one of the lowest end of refractor telescopes. You may be able to see or image Andromeda galaxy, but you can't image some small DSOs even though they are in the Milky Way, which means they are quite near compared to Andromeda. So, go for a refractor that has bigger aperture and focal length, say, a refractor with aperture more than 80mm. It couldn't show me the rings of Saturn.
Regular Camera
You can
take pictures of planets, nebulas and galaxies using a DSLR or mirror less
cameras too. Or, you case use a dedicated astrophotography cameras attached to
telescopes. While studying for camera to buy, I realized how costly they are! A
good entry level DSLR for astrophotography runs into lakhs of rupees; at least a
lakh. Good cameras used by some well-known amateur photographers don’t seem to
be available in India. And the one used by some cost a few lakhs of rupees. So,
I thought of buying a regular camera as I am just starting the hobby. Before
buying any camera, me and my son tried
to photograph Jupiter in mid-2021 when Jupiter was close to Earth. To my
surprise, we could capture picture of Jupiter and its four moons using regular
Nikon Coolpix camera that I bought for my son when he was in school. If I
remember, I spent about ₹30k for the camera. But it started malfunctioning
while selecting settings. In any case, it can’t be attached to telescope. So, I
had to buy a new camera. I didn’t want to buy dedicated camera because it can’t
be used for regular photographs after spending thousands of rupees for the
camera. Then a question came about the brand. Since the Nikon Coolpix camera
ran into problems, decided to buy a Canon camera. My study indicates that most photographers
use cameras of one of these brands for astrophotography. Another big question
was whether to buy a DSLR or mirrorless camera. Mirrorless cameras are supposed
to be lighter and they are in-things. But you get variety of accessories for DSLR cameras as I was told by camera shopkeeper. I bought Canon M50 Mark II
camera with the intention of using it for both astrophotography as well as
regular photography. It's a mirrorless camera. It came with a 15-45 mm lens. It was about ₹60k.
Surprisingly it is very light. It's not really designed for astrophotography as such. Here is its
picture:
Just having a camera is not sufficient. You need some parts to connect the camera to the
telescope. Note that you don’t use normal lens that came with your camera while
using the telescope. So, don’t buy additional lenses unless you know what you
want to use them for. In fact, you can just buy camera body if you want to use it first with your telescope and buy lenses later as per your requirement. You can’t
directly attach your camera to the telescope. This is because cameras come
with a flange to attach lenses to the camera body, whereas the telescope eye piece holder comes with threads or a couple of screws to hold an eye piece inside it. Hence, you need to buy T2-mount adapter/ring to connect
camera to the telescope. Here is the camera without lens, exposing its flange:
To connect
this to telescope, I needed appropriate T2 mount that can be attached to the
camera. Here is my T2-mount adapter:
The bottom
part can be directly fixed to the flange of the camera. The top part adapter is
meant for 1.25” telescope end. It is not useful for 2” telescope such as RedCat
51. Hence I had to buy a 2” telescope to T2 adapter such as the following:
Unfortunately,
I am not able get sharp focus with the T2 mount and the adapter. I need an
adapter that is much thinner than the above adapter such as the following M48-M42 adapter ring:
Since I don’t have this thinner adapter, I'm not able to use the Canon camera with RedtCat 51. As of this writing, I'm waiting for the adapter to arrive at my door!
Note:- Don’t buy this camera for astrophotography! One reason is that its battery has to be taken out from the camera and put in a separate charger to charge it. Since you may have to leave the camera attached to the telescope for an hour or a few hours for astrophotography, you will have problem in replacing the battery. So, buy a camera that can be charged without removing its battery from the camera.
Dedicated Camera
Getting any
part such as an adapter to connect camera to the telescope takes time for two reasons. The first one
is the time taken to identify the right component that fits your telescope or
camera and the second is time it takes to reach you once you order. There are a
few vendors in India who sell the telescope and camera related components. All most all
are made in China! Now I understand why the country has become a manufacturer
of the world!! Sometimes, specifications of parts on e-commerce sites are very
vague. Despite this, you may want to try your luck by purchasing it as you
can’t wait for another few weeks to try your telescope! If you buy entire
telescope package with tripod, mount and the telescope tube, you may face less problems in attaching your camera to the telescope.
Since I was not able to focus anything, including even the Moon, I could not
use the regular camera with Red Cat 51 (But I used it with reflector telescope to
take pictures of the Moon). Hence, I wanted to try a cheap dedicated
camera. Most of the amateur astronomers
mentioned using dedicated camera from ZWO. So, I went for ZWO ASI224MC color
camera. Purchased it from GoScientifics.com in Madurai for ₹19k! It looks like
this:
You need to unscrew the black lens and attach to the camera with a T adapter that fits your telescope. In my case, I needed a T adapter having one end with M48 internal threading for attaching to RedCat 51 and the other end with M42 external threading to attach to the camera. There is a link at the end of the article on what is M48 or M42 threading.
As the resolution of ASI224MC is very low, I bought another camera ASI071MC that is a 16MP dedicated camera having a big sensor compared to that of ASI224MC.
With this camera, the positioning of telescope towards the DSOs became easier as it could capture large part of the sky. Now I use the earlier camera for auto guiding. Again, there are much better cameras than ASI071MC for higher price and also there are less pricey ones that are more or less as good as this camera.
Finder scope or Red dot
finder
When there is no camera attached to the telescope, you look through an eyepiece of the telescope to locate interesting objects in the sky. Different kinds of finder scopes/red dot finders are as following:
If you want
to take photographs, camera has to be attached to the eyepiece holder of the telescope. Once
that is done, you can see objects either on LCD screen of DSLR or mirrorless
camera or a laptop screen if you are using a dedicated camera. Once a camera is
attached, it may become difficult to point the telescope towards an object as
you lose the means of seeing through telescope! Hence, one can use either a finder
scope or a red-dot finder. Finder scope is a small telescope with
wide field so that you can see a large area of sky and find your object of
your interest and center it in the finder scope field of view. Any minor
adjustments can be done by looking at the object in the camera or laptop
screen. The finder scope may have a cross-hair to pinpoint it towards the object.
Another option is red-dot finder which shows a red dot, cross hair, red dot with circle, etc., in the sky. You have to attach the finder
scope or red-dot finder to the telescope parallel to its tube. Once it is
powered on (uses button battery power), you see a red dot or cross hair through
a lens in the sky. You have to move your telescope such that the red dot or
cross hair points to the object of interest in the sky. Once this is done, you
can see the object either through telescope if camera is not attached, or
camera LCD screen or laptop screen and do any finer adjustments to keep the
object in view. You can attach a red-dot finder in addition to or in place of
finder scope. When objects are at zenith, the telescope tube will be almost
perpendicular to the ground. In such situations, finding an object using finder
scope or red-dot finder may pain your neck. Hence, you may want to use a right-angle
finder scope, instead. But then pointing to the object will become a little
tricky!
Night Head Torch
Since we
are going to photograph objects in the sky during night, dark time, you need some
light to set-up telescope equipment that has now become costlier! You don’t
want to drop your telescope, camera, adapter or injure your feet with any
counter-weight by mistake in the dark nights! You can use head torch you might
have already used for trekking. It’s available in Decathelon shops. A photograph
of the one I use is as following:
This can be
worn around your head so that your hands are free to set up the telescope
equipment. The head torch shown in the figure can throw light in red as well as
white and with required luminance.
It’s good
to have this but definitely not essential if you can manage with some other
light source.
Laptop
You
definitely need a laptop if you use a dedicated camera for capturing images of
celestial objects. You may not need if you use DSLR or mirrorless camera. Make
sure it is fully charged or a power source is close by. You may need a power
source for your camera. You may also need power source for dedicated camera.
High-end dedicated cameras need power to cool its sensor, even in the night, to
reduce noise to get better pictures. In case of laptop, make sure you already
installed appropriate camera image capture software such as ASI Studio from ZWO
for its cameras.
Set-up
Attach mount
on the tripod. Attach telescope to the mount. In my case I attach the telescope
to the declination bracket of the mount with a counter-weight to balance the telescope.
Make sure the telescope and/or camera won’t hit the tripod legs and break.
After all, they are quite expensive!
The
declination bracket came with my iOptron SkyGuider Pro mount. Since the
telescope is at one end of the declination bracket, you need appropriate weight(s)
at its other end attached to a counter-weight rod. Both the counter-weight and
rod came with the mount. But I had to buy another 1.3 kg counter-weight to
offset added weight of auto guide-scope, its camera and red dot finder (not
shown in the picture). When powered on, the declination bracket moves in the
clock-wise direction to offset movement of Earth to keep objects of sky in the viewing field of the telescope, if not for the entire duration of your photography, but
at least for some time. You may need to adjust the telescope position once in a
while or use a guide-scope and guide camera (not shown in the picture) to correct course of tracking.
Polar Alignment
To track
objects of sky while Earth rotates, you need to do polar alignment of your
mount before you point your telescope to the desired object in the sky and
take pictures. What it means is that the mount should point to pole star or
north star. Celestial pole is very close to it. For that, the mount provides
some mechanism. Either manually look for the north star from the center of the
mount and adjust its azimuth (along the direction of horizon). Its declination
can be set to the latitude of your location. Some mounts provide another camera
(my mount provides), either at its center or on the side, and provide software
and a cable to connect to laptop so that you can do polar alignment by
looking at the laptop screen.
In my case,
north star is not visible due to a new building that came up in my
neighborhood! So, I’m not able to use I-polar camera of the mount. I do
approximate polar alignment using Google Sky Map and Polar Alignment app.
Software
Dedicated Camera Driver
Currently I
use 1.2MP dedicated camera. It is ASI224MC colour camera. But didn’t see
precise colours. Its drivers are available from ZWO company website.
Photograph Capture
Software
ZWO also
has a suite of free software for capturing images from its camera. It is called
ASI Studio. You can download it from ZWO website.
Stacking Software
We take not
just one or two photographs of objects of the sky but take a few hundreds to
capture a lot of light from the objects. If the object is fixed, just taking
one photograph would have been sufficient. As Earth rotates and tracking is not
so precise, we can’t expose camera for more more than a few seconds or a few
minutes at a time. So, taking so many pictures and stacking them is essential. Stacking
software generates one final photograph from hundreds of photographs. The
software also removes inherent noise generated by the camera itself, noise due
to heating of camera and images of dust particles that might have settled on
the lenses of telescope of camera. There are free and paid software for
stacking photographs. I use free
software called Deep Sky Stacker (DSS).
Graphics or Image Editor
The final
image generated by stacking software needs editing using software such as
PhotoShop or GIMP. Unless you edit and
change image parameters, you may not be able to see the image you captured!
Process of Taking
Photographs
Polar alignment
of your mount is pre-requisite to have as much camera exposure time as
possible. It is assumed that the mount you are using is capable of tracking celestial
objects. Some mounts have various slewing rates to track moon, planets and stars.
For photographing nebular and galaxies, you should set the slewing rate to
stars, called 1X. The first thing to do is to look for the object you want to
photograph. You can use an app such as Google Sky Map and search for the
object. Then move your telescope in the required direction to get the object in
the field of telescope. Use finder scope or red-dot finder to keep the object
at the center of the telescope. If your telescope has GOTO functionality, you might
have got a hand-held controller. Use this device to move telescope to the
desired object. But you need to see the camera LCD screen or laptop screen to
make sure the telescope points to the object.
The next
thing is to adjust focus of your telescope/lens so that you get sharp picture. Camera
lenses will have focus rings for the adjustment. Telescopes will have helical
focuser or some other tool for focusing. Stars should look sharp. Make sure
tracking is on your mount while doing this.
Set up suitable
exposure time. The more exposure time the better the picture will be. If polar
alignment is poor or your mount tracking precision is not great, you won’t be
able to get good pictures with a lot of exposure time. The stars should be
round and not like thick lines. So far,
I couldn’t use more than ten seconds of exposure time and usually I set just
three seconds! I am not able to do precise polar alignment because a building
obstructs view of pole star from the terrace of my house.
Use
appropriate ISO level (term used for regular cameras) or Gain (term used for
dedicated cameras) of camera. More ISO/Gain, the brighter the picture will be but
also more grainer. Gain that I use for the dedicated camera ranges from 300 to 500. For my mirrorless
camera, I generally use ISO level between 800 and 16,000. These are for conditions of my environment on the terrace of my home. You may need different values suitable for your environment. It all depends on the
seeing conditions (light pollution, presence of moon, etc.)
Set up your camera or capturing software on your laptop to capture images at given interval. They allow you to setup exposure times, ISO levels or Gains. If the stars don’t look round, image stacking software is likely to fail. So, adjust focuser of your camera or telescope to make sure you get good pictures with round stars. If you are not able to focus to get sharp stars means required back focus between your telescope and camera is not right. Either you have to reduce distance between them or increase by adding or removing various spacers. Some DSLR and mirrorless cameras come with an intervalometer gadget – wired or wireless – for capturing pictures without touching the camera to avoid vibration of the camera while taking pictures. In my case, my mirrorless camera didn’t come with an intervalometer. So, I use an Android app developed by Canon. Still, I can’t setup interval or number of pictures to be taken. I have to manually click a button on the phone/laptop to capture an image. This will be a pain to capture hundreds of pictures you need for stacking. Fortunately, I can set up interval and number of photographs to be taken for my dedicated camera. Consider these points before purchasing a camera. Once this set-up is done, start capturing a few hundreds of pictures. Make sure your object doesn’t go out of view on the LCD or laptop screen. If it goes out of the center of the screen a lot, stop capturing and adjust your telescope to point to the object again and continue to take pictures. These pictures are called light frames.
How many
pictures you have to capture? It depends
on exposure time and number of pictures. I see people taking pictures with a
total exposure time of up to an hour or
a few hours. Small exposure time means you have to take a greater number of
light frames. Some photographers use exposure time as big as five minutes. For
this kind of exposure, polar alignment has to be precise and autoguiding may
need to be used (for a later article!). Fifty light frames might be good in
this case. If it is small such as three seconds, you may have to take at least
a few hundred light frames, say 200 or more.
Not only
light frames of actual object, you need to take some other kinds of photographs.
These are called dark frames, flat frames and bias frames.
Dark frames are photographs taken by closing lens or telescope by capping it.
These photographs contain noise introduced by the sensor when it heats up while
taking light frames. So, you should grab these photographs with the same
exposure, ISO or Gain levels and in the same environment. Flat frames are photographs taken while its
lens is lit with uniform bright light so that the photographs contain
information about any dust particles that might have settled on the lenses. The
photographs can be taken by putting a white cloth or t-shirt over the lens or
telescope opening end and pointing it towards a light-source such as laptop
screen. Or, put a mobile phone or tablet
with bright screen over the lens/tube opening. Stacking software eliminates the
information about dusts while generating one image from the light frames. The
last kind of frames are taken with as minimum exposure time as possible for the
camera. These photographs are taken by capping its lens or telescope with the
same ISO/Gain levels. This is to get inherent noise generated by the camera
sensor in the photographs.
How to Process Photographs
To generate
one final image from light frames, dark frames, flat frames and bias frames,
you have to use software such as DSS (Deep Sky Stacker). There are many such
software packages available for free as well as for a price. I use DSS because
it is free and found an article that explained how to use it clearly!
What you
have to do is, load all these four kinds frames into DSS, register them and
stack them. Depending on the number of frames, it may take a few minutes or
maybe hours to complete its job of stacking and generating one image. The image it generates may look pretty bad
initially! For example, the stacked images of Orion and Flame nebulas are
as following:
Orion
nebula image shows the nebula but Flame nebula is not at all visible in its
stacked image. Therefore, just stacking is not sufficient but it needs a bit
of postprocessing.
Postprocessing
Tools such
as PhotoShop, PixInsight and GIMP are used for this job. The tools allow you to adjust various
parameters of the image such as color levels, light levels and many other features. The tools also allow you to crop the
object of interest to the center and remove unwanted things such as noise in the image. Here are the images of the nebulas after
minimum postprocessing using GIMP:
Photographing Objects Not Directly
Visible
Sometimes, it’s very difficult to see the exact location of deep space objects such as nebulas and galaxies. Then, how do you photograph them? You can take photograph if you know approximate location based on nearby stars. For example, Flame nebula and Horsehead nebulas are not visible to the naked eye, at least it is true in my case. To know the location, search the web and find out photographs or articles on the objects. Or search in the apps such as Google Sky Map. For example, Flame nebula is very close to the star Alnitak on its left side. The star itself is the bottom most star of Orion’s belt as seen from Bengaluru. Horsehead nebula is below the star but not visible even after stacking light frames. Of course, this is true only in my case with the prevailing conditions - city center with a lot of light pollution. Further, I used a very low-end camera. So, I simply aimed my telescope to point to the star knowing the nebulas are around the star and obtained many light frames such as the following:
Notes
I bought
things that I needed on a piecemeal approach because I wanted to reuse existing
telescope equipment parts. If you want to get into astrophotography, you need
to buy a telescope with tripod, mount and OTA (Optical tube assembly) as one
unit. You may go in for a GOTO mount to make life easier but it will be
costlier. Though I bought a mount of iOptron, there are a few other choices as
well – mounts from SkyWatcher, Orion, CellStron, Meade and many others.
The other
option is whether to go in for refractor or reflector telescope. My first
telescope was a reflector telescope. Refractor telescopes are small and
costlier compared to reflector telescopes. It is convenient to carry
refractor telescopes.
There are a
few vendors of telescope equipment in India. Of prominent and reliable vendors
from whom I bought are Tejraj of Mumbai, GoScientifics of Madurai, Galileo
Telescopes of Mumbai, Tanotis of Bangalore (Koramangala 6th block) and Vorion Scientific of Ahmedabad.
Some parts
are also available from various other e-commerce sites such as EasyCart, Shop2India,
Felzon, EssayMall and Amazon. You will not find all components in a single store!
One caution:
Always check prices of telescope or its parts at multiple e-commerce sites as I
found exorbitant prices for the same part at some sites.
References
- For the meaning of threading types such as M48 and M42 used for telescopes, cameras and various adapters, refer to the article https://agenaastro.com/articles/guides/astronomy-threads-explained.html.
- You must read the following excellent article to understand the whole process of kinds of pictures (light frames, dark frames, flat frames and bias frames) you have to take, stacking using DSS and postprocessing using PhotoShop or GIMP: https://www.lightstalking.com/photograph-orion-nebula/?unapproved=3763137&moderation-hash=9b10e88562a70123b03401869394351a#comment-3763137
You can learn a lot by seeing You-Tube videos about various aspects of astrophotography.
- Vidyasagar Mundroy, Jan 18, 2022, May 1, 2022

Very nicely explained, Vidyasagar. Loved reading it but still feel there is more to it than meets the eye.Just one question- can one see moving objects on moon through your Redcar gear?
ReplyDeleteNo. You can't see. Only some satellites flying around the Moon can see. For example, when Chandrayaan lander crashed on the moon, we didn't get to see its picture even though spacecraft is flying around the Moon. It doesn't mean to say all satellites can't see.
ReplyDeleteFound time to read it today. Though I didn't understand it fully, kudos to you for your efforts in the astrophotography area. Hope that gives you more inspiration and excitement in life. It truly makes us think how small we are! Again, all the best to win more๐๐
ReplyDeleteWe are almost nothing if you see the scale of the Universe. Light takes about 2.5 million years to reach Andromeda galaxy. It's almost next to impossible for humans to reach there in their lifetime. So, if you see the galaxy through a telescope today, it means you are seeing the galaxy how it was 2.5 million years ago! It's impossible to see how it is currently!
DeleteFound this through the TG message you had posted. Great and concise article Vidyasagar. Congratulations! Another thing you may want to add since you had mentioned the issue with polar alignment from Bangalore is how to use PS align pro when Polaris is not visible.
ReplyDeleteIt is good to know that you liked the article! Regarding polar alignment, I use Stellarium app on my android phone. I marked position of tripod legs on the terrace so that RA axis always roughly points towards north star. I place my android phone perpendicular to RA axis on the front part of mount and adjust tripod legs to make sure RA axis passes through North star that the Stellarium app on the phone shows. This method has been working quite well for me and it takes a few seconds to a minute or two to align. I tried drift method, but I found it is not worth the time one has to spend to do polar alignment. I always use guiding while taking photographs so that it takes care of any alignment errors. I tried to check PS Align Pro app on Android phone, but play store didn't show it. I will try if I find it. Thank you.
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